Showing posts with label NYS Tax Administration. Show all posts
Showing posts with label NYS Tax Administration. Show all posts

Wednesday, February 3, 2010

Update on the audit

I went to the Post Office yesterday to mail off the documentation requested by NYS Tax Department "Audit Group 3" telephone representative.

Basically, she said that I all I needed to do was to explain that we'd declined to claim our older daughter on the federal form in order to allow her to get the education credit and to provide the name and Social Security number of our daughter, so the tax department could look up her tax return and see that she hadn't claimed her own exemption on her return. (Why the NY tax form didn't give any opportunity to provide this information right on the original tax return in the first place is not clear. The federal Form 1040 requires listing the names and SSNs of all dependents claimed on the return, but the NY tax return did not and still does not provide any place to do that.)

It's also unclear to me why the Audit Group 3 phone representative could not just take that minimal information directly over the phone from me, especially since the wording of the audit notice letter had suggested it was possible for taxpayers to resolve matters over the phone, and this matter does look extremely straightforward.

(It's possible that their idea of "resolving matters over the phone" means getting the taxpayer to agree that the NYS Tax and Finance Department is correct and pay the assessed amount by credit card over the phone! Perhaps the only people who need to respond by mail are those who don't agree with the bill enclosed with the audit notice. It's likely that they hope many taxpayers will take the path of least resistance and just surrender and concede the bill, even if it's not correct. The National Taxpayer Advocate's reports have pointed out that many low income taxpayers--who are far more likely to be audited than the average American--do exactly that.)

But...whatever....off I trotted to the Post Office to mail off the form with an attached letter of explanation providing the information required. I sent it Certified Mail ($3.24) and set up email notification, so I'll know when it arrived. There's a good chance it will arrive today (2/3/2010), which is somewhat strange to contemplate, since the audit notice letter itself was dated 2/4/2010.

Monday, February 1, 2010

More reflections on phone information

Although I'm not a big fan of phone calls, I did want to call to make sure I was sending exactly the right documents that would be required to resolve our correspondence audit. And I also wanted to get some insights into how much difficulty a low-income taxpayer might have in navigating the phone interface of the NYS Tax Department.

Upon further investigation and reflection after my experiences this morning, the phone information provided in the audit letter was definitely NOT as helpful as it could have been.

1) Page 7 of our audit letter stated that "If you prefer to resolve your disagreement by phone, call the toll free Personal Income Tax Customer Service Center number given on the enclosed Notice of Taxpayer Rights."

However, the only actual toll free number given on the "enclosed Notice of Taxpayer Rights" is 1-800-462-8100. A taxpayer who attempts to follow the advice given on page 7 will only waste more costly cell phone minutes (toll free doesn't mean free if you're calling from the kind of cell phone plan most of our low income clients have!) only to learn he's reached the number for ordering forms, certainly not the number for resolving an audit disagreement by phone.

2) There is also a NON toll free number given on the above-referenced page: 518-485-6800, but since the toll free version originally pointed out explicitly as the place to call to resolve problems hadn't worked, I assumed that the corresponding toll version wouldn't work either. (I later called the number and it appears that in fact the toll version WOULD have worked! So if only page 7 had pointed the taxpayer to the toll version initially, he might have reached someone who could help him.)

3) Anyway, instead I called the number given on page 8 of the tax audit notice enclosure, the one labelled "If you have questions regarding this notice, call 518-457-5434. That was a number that should have been answered starting at 8 a.m., according to the NY Tax Department website, but as I indicated earlier, when I called at 8:20 a.m., the recording just informed me that the office was closed and I should call back during "normal hours," without actually telling me what those hours were!

These may all seem like minor petty details, but the cost of calling several incorrect numbers or at several incorrect times adds up for the millions of New York taxpayers who have to deal with complying with our tax code.

In our case the audit issue was clear and straightforward, but for a taxpayer with a more complicated issue, and perhaps with only a limited number of minutes left on his phone plan and no money to buy more, these kinds of issues DO add additional stress!

And, the fact is that if our tax code (both federal and state) were simpler, taxpayers would not need to be wasting nearly as much of their time AND of government employee time AND running up phone bills on both ends dealing with all these bed buffaloes in our tax code.

It's not the fault of the NYS Tax Department that the tax code is so complicated, but the audit letter could at least avoid wasting taxpayer time and cell phone minutes by clearly directing taxpayers to the correct phone number to call and the correct time to call those phone numbers. Those misdirected phone calls that come in at the wrong time or to the wrong number run up the state's phone bill as well.